Edward-era groat prop used in the 2010 film “Robin Hood”

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Hello!

In addition to coins, antiquities and other things, I collect affordable production-used movie props from time to time, and (naturally) have a penchant for numismatic-ish items even in that field.

I recently got a prop from Ridley Scott’s Robin Hood (2010), which appears to be a replica of a silver groat issued by a King Edward—though I’m not sure which. At least the obverse legend seems to read “EDWARDVS.”


26mm in diameter and 2.96g in weight. Seems to be made of some alloy rather than plastic.

I’m not a native English speaker who can’t even read cursive, let alone medieval writings, so I’m having some trouble identifying the coin after which this prop was designed. I can’t tell if a letter is supposed to be a T or I or R.

So, assuming this design was copied faithfully after a medieval coin, is it possible to tell which Edward issued the original? ...And, well, at least I’m correct that it’s a coin issued by an Edward, right?

I just find it rather amusing, whichever Edward it is, that while the movie was (clearly) set in the times of Richard the Lionheart and John Lackland, it used anachronistic coins as props. But I suppose the filmmakers didn’t find contemporary pennies attractive enough on screen? They were quite small and I think the portraits of Edwards look better than those of Richard or John. Also the coins are probably not focused on in any of the shots in the film, and even if some details are onscreen, perhaps the long-cross design looks similar enough to deceive the history buffs in the audience?
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https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces123837.html

It's the only groat I could find the the catalog with an obverse that looks like that and is from an Edward.

Maybe the filmmakers didn't think a penny looked big enough.
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A couple of days ago I was on the Prop Store website and saw that this coin was sold out. They have some gold quarter nobles from the same film still available.

It's certainly a groat of Edward I as they are the only English groats to place the monarch within a tressure of four arcs. The originals were struck for a short period and were not particularly well received. Which has resulted in them being very rare. It's also quite common to find gilt versions that were mounted for use as jewelry.

The 'WRL' on the obverse suggests that the film makers sourced their coins from this company: http://www.westair.co.uk/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=Groat&categories_id=&inc_subcat=1&x=0&y=0
If you dont mind me asking, do you have any other coin related movie props?

I'd love to be able to get an original John Wick coin or a piece of the Aztec treasure from Pirates of the Caribbean. I'm sure the PotC coins are worth a small fortune, but John Wick should be fairly obtainable. The Prop Store auctioned a bunch of them off shortly after the last movie came out.

The Goonies Dubloon sold recently: https://propstoreauction.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/138/lot/28372/
An interesting combination of a Henry VII English silver testoon and some French coin of Louis XIII.
Forget that last comment. John Wick coins go for about $1,000 each: https://usm.propstoreauction.com/m/lot-details/index/catalog/205/lot/50321/
Thank you! And the replica in your link does look like the one I have. I was wondering if they used ready-made prop coins because otherwise they could—or should—have just made fictional, enlarged, groat-sized Richard I or King John (or Henry II) pennies.

And yes, I do have a few more prop coins! Two from the Chronicles of Narnia movies and one from the first PotC film, although it’s not the Aztec medallion. It’s a replica of a Philip II-era Spanish doubloon and (I believe) was used as part of the hoard Barbossa’s crew had accumulated in that cave.

I don’t have pictures at the moment, but the prop coin from Prince Caspian is just a gold-coloured Joachimsthaler (dated 1520) and the one from The Voyage of the Dawn Treader is a replica of the iconic Athenian tetradrachm, made from resin and also painted gold. I get that Narnia isn’t quite as consistent or detailed a world as Middle-Earth (plus directly connected to our world), but I wonder how such coins came into circulation in that world!

I would love a John Wick gold coin (whatever it’s called) and thought many of them might be available since they were shown onscreen in stacks...but phew. That’s pretty expensive. I like how detailed and realistic they are, though, assuming they were designed specially for the film(s).

I don’t remember seeing any other screen-used coins available lately, except maybe ones apparently used in National Treasure (the climactic treasure scene?) and Spider-Man 2 (the 2004 one, in Doc Ock’s bank robbing scene). They have the same “GOLD D’ORO” design as https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces113422.html but I’m not sure if this “play money” is a toy token or made to be used in films...
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I'd imagine it was done to save as much money as possible, especially since the coins don't appear in any close ups. I also agree with your previous point on size.

Looks like the stacked up John Wick coins were blank and made as a single piece: https://usm.propstoreauction.com/m/lot-details/index/catalog/205/lot/50260/?url=%2Fm%2Fsearch%2F%3Fpage%3D1%26view%3Dgrid%26key%3Dcoin%26sale%3Dundefined%26catm%3Dany%26order%3Dtimeleft%26live%3Dno%26timed%3Dno%26regular%3Dno%26buynow%3Dno%26makeoffer%3Dno%26xclosed%3Dno%26featured%3Dno%26items%3D48

https://usm.propstoreauction.com/m/lot-details/index/catalog/205/lot/51270/?url=%2Fm%2Fsearch%2F%3Fpage%3D1%26view%3Dgrid%26key%3Dcoin%26sale%3Dundefined%26catm%3Dany%26order%3Dtimeleft%26live%3Dno%26timed%3Dno%26regular%3Dno%26buynow%3Dno%26makeoffer%3Dno%26xclosed%3Dno%26featured%3Dno%26items%3D48

Awesome PotC coin. I'd assume its just like this one: https://propstore.com/mobile/product/pirates-of-the-caribbean-the-curse-of-the-black-pearl/cursed-gold-shilling/ It's an incredible piece of film history.

This is worth a quick read: http://www.brianrxm.com/comdir/cnsmovie_piratescaribbean.htm Turns out two of Jack's hair beads have some fairly modern coins attached to them.
Oh...I wasn't expecting that, but I guess that's how movies work, haha. As for the Pirates coin, I believe it's the same but I got mine for about $25 with a Logos Theatre COA. The props of the same type seem to be widely available, since I can find several of these on eBay.

I remember doing a topic on Jack's modern Pya coin a while ago (https://en.numista.com/forum/topic75842.html) but didn't notice the Balboa. It's still amazing that they got away with such a huge anachronism—one that's visible right above Jack's face!
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You can't unsee it once you know it's there. Makes me wonder what other modern bit and bobs are hiding in plain sight in those movies.

Glad to hear that the pirate cave coins are much more affordable than the Prop Store makes it seem. I'll probably pick get one if I ever come across it.

Aztec Gold sold a few years ago for £5,000: https://propstoreauction.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/78/lot/18420/
This claims they were gifted to cast and crew: https://www.yourprops.com/-Cursed-Aztec-Gold-Coin-original-movie-prop-Pirates-of-the-Caribbean-The-Curse-of-The-Black-Pearl-2003-YP74358.html

That whole site is well worth a look: https://www.yourprops.com/view_items.php?movie=&keywords=coin&suser=&celebrity=&explizit=0&template=slides&number_of_items=25&do=search&index_from=0 Hundreds of screen used prop coins.

e.g. Hero close up gold coins from John Wick: https://www.yourprops.com/Hero-Gold-Coins-original-movie-prop-John-Wick-YP819946.html Fascinating to compare these with the background coins I linked yesterday.

Edit: This crude Peace Dollar coin is supposedly from Black Sails: https://www.yourprops.com/Gold-coins-original-movie-prop-Black-Sails-TV-2014-YP806742.html

Count of Monte Cristo - Looks like a Roman coin: https://www.yourprops.com/Monte-Cristo-Treasure-Coin-original-movie-prop-The-Count-of-Monte-Cristo-2002-YP805811.html

Sahara Confederate Gold: https://www.yourprops.com/Gold-coins-display-original-movie-prop-Sahara-2005-YP804524.html

Inglorious Basterds 1927 French 25 Centimes Coin: https://www.yourprops.com/Coin-original-movie-prop-Inglourious-Basterds-2009-YP79822.html Looks real to me.

Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom: https://www.yourprops.com/Tod-coins-original-movie-prop-Indiana-Jones-And-The-Temple-Of-Doom-1984-YP53688.html Coins offered for Nurhaci's ashes.

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